Florida Father beats accused child abuser.

[Gaki]

No, you seem to care more about your moral views than your children's views. Just like the father in the news story, who was only stopped from killing the guy because his son was crying and begging him to stop. Father of the year material right there :/

Let me massage this in lieu of what I wrote just above your last post:

No, the father in the news story, who was only stopped from killing the guy because his son was crying and begging him to stop, seemed to care more about his moral views than that of his son's.  This is my point.

Father of the year material right there :/

I reiterate, please, just as in the Debate area, please refrain from personal attacks.   Please, I understand this is a touchy topic, but respect each other, respect our community and the fostering of the spirit of comraderie. 

I hope that is the last time we need to steer it back to a non-personal debate.
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[Luftëtari]

Thanks for the edit Gaki. I hadn't read what you posted and I was responding in anger to what MrSpeed said about caring for our children. Which isn't an excuse.

I do stick to this though: In general if a person's first reaction to merely seeing their child receiving oral sex is to attack the older participant then yes I do feel they need help. I do realize this accounts for 98% of parents and yes they all need help in my opinion. If they prefer to react violently without actually taking twenty seconds to find out if their child is forced or consenting then they have issues they need to work through. Specifically sexual ones.

[MrSpeed]

Luftetari...are you a parent?

[Luftëtari]

Luftetari...are you a parent?

Irrelevant question. I could just lie, just as you could be lying.

[AngstofGalin]

...My original point was that it seems that sometimes those of us with this particular attraction like to pretend that things are better than they really are.  I think some of us want to ignore the realities of what is going on to suppress our true feelings or to make ourselves feel better...

...Understand that I'm just more reserved about adult/child relationships in general.  I *do* believe they can exist in a healthy form but the circumstances have to be absolutely perfect...

...It's just a tricky situation.

I'm with you. Everything you said is about where I'm at. People want to feel good about themselves so they approve when relationships are consensual but notice the arguments here about just "what" is consensual. I personally believe there's a little coercion in ALL relationships. Equal ages or not.

[Luftëtari]

...My original point was that it seems that sometimes those of us with this particular attraction like to pretend that things are better than they really are.  I think some of us want to ignore the realities of what is going on to suppress our true feelings or to make ourselves feel better...

...Understand that I'm just more reserved about adult/child relationships in general.  I *do* believe they can exist in a healthy form but the circumstances have to be absolutely perfect...

...It's just a tricky situation.

I'm with you. Everything you said is about where I'm at. People want to feel good about themselves so they approve when relationships are consensual but notice the arguments here about just "what" is consensual. I personally believe there's a little coercion in ALL relationships. Equal ages or not.

There is definitely a tendency for pedophiles to assume consent where consent is actually not obvious. I am having a debate about that in another thread. However what is consensual has no debate. Did that agree or not. If they agreed was it under false pretenses or with threats or with bribes? Of course there is a little coercion in all relationships. The debate lies in how much is okay. Is a guy being a little annoying saying "come on let's just do it and the partner just agrees" abusive? Probably not. Does he do it all the time and threaten to withdraw love? It gets abusive. Still, that wasn't the point of this debate. This debate started because of some (especially nons/antis) siding with the father and sympathizing with him. Which unless the young boy was showing obvious distress right away is an illogical position to take based on a sex negative (and possibly homphobic) attitude.