Florida Father beats accused child abuser.

[Shatterhand]

I'll be honest.  I have no problem with what this father did.  You don't step in a man's castle and attempt such a thing.

miamiherald.com/2014/07/18/4242547/police-fla-father-beats-accused.html [CLEARNET LINK]

EDIT: New link, as the above has expired - nbcmiami.com/news/local/Florida-Father-Beats-Accused-Child-Abuser-267689071.html (TURN OFF SCRIPTS!) - GL

[Itumeleng]

I'll be honest.  I have no problem with what this father did.  You don't step in a man's castle and attempt such a thing.

But... that's just a boy, a beaten youngling! Who knows how things went down. I imagine the 11-year-old's surprise and fright when his father walked in on them and then utter fear, half unable to believe his eyes, when one of the two most important men is his life commences to beat the other unconscious. Ugh.


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[MrSpeed]

Did you guys see the story about the dad that came home and caught the 18 year old guy molesting his 11 year old son?  His picture has been all over the internet for the past day or so.  Dad absolutely fucked him up!  Talk about rearranging his face!  Despite my feelings as a pedo, I'm still a father and I can't say I'd have done much different than this dad did. 

Thoughts?

[entelechy]

Was it actual molestation?

[MrSpeed]

Evidently so.  In addition, the little boy said that it had been going on for three years.

[entelechy]

This pisses me off and illustrates my point that removing the taboo of sex in general and letting children be more free range would make it harder for jerks to trick, threaten, or force them into sexual activity. Kids who are informed early on and raised independently can fend off sex that they don't really want, whereas children who are sheltered can be fed a line of bullshit or forced.

Three years? That's a while, he's likely resilient though. This boy should be comforted, but therapy and additional help should only be provided if he asks for it.

[Sierra]

We will probably never find out if the younger boy was in this willingly and enjoying this relationship.

[happydaddy]

Did you guys see the story about the dad that came home and caught the 18 year old guy molesting his 11 year old son?  His picture has been all over the internet for the past day or so.  Dad absolutely fucked him up!  Talk about rearranging his face!  Despite my feelings as a pedo, I'm still a father and I can't say I'd have done much different than this dad did. 

Thoughts?

If either of my children ever let me know that they were being abused in any way some face rearrangement would be in order. If my kids said it was all consentual and they wanted it then fine but you hurt my kids and I'll hurt you a lot more in return.

[ministraw]

What are the circumstances? Does anyone !know! that it wasn't consensual? And what exactly was he doing? This was a teen so I'm wondering what kept the child from saying anything if it was molestation. I don't know what happened. All I can say is that I'd rather take a forced finger to the cunt than a face rearrangement.

[Lt.Smash]

Here is the most detailed article I could find on it.  it works fine in tor browser with JS disabled:
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/police-defend-dad-who-left-3893885

Basically a dad walked in on his 11 year old having consensual sex with an 18 year old.  The dad then beat his child's lover unconscious and then phoned the police.  The child's lover is now in jail and the dad will be facing NO CHARGES.  Obviously, this is absolutely disgusting and I refuse to do nothing about this.

With that said, what could possibly be done?  Since the law against assault does not have a loophole for assaulting pedophiles, the police are clearly violating the law by refusing to prosecute the attacker.  Does that mean a lawsuit could be filed against the police department to force them to follow the law?

Alternatively, would it be justified to resort to vigilantism in this case?  I personally believe that in cases where certain people are immune to the law, vigilantism becomes justifiable and necessary.  Obviously, we know the name of the sheriff from the article and finding where he lives would be easy.  But finding out who the attacker is will be much harder since the police are withholding that information.  Maybe someone on PSC could do some investigative digging?

[Sierra]

I think this one should be posted either in Links or Punishment Links. Not sure because this article is not about de punishment of a pedophile by law but it is about punishment for sure.

[Interloper]

Basically a dad walked in on his 11 year old having consensual sex with an 18 year old.  The dad then beat his child's lover unconscious and then phoned the police.  The child's lover is now in jail and the dad will be facing NO CHARGES.  Obviously, this is absolutely disgusting and I refuse to do nothing about this.

Do you know this guy?  How do you know it was consensual? 

[MrSpeed]

Basically a dad walked in on his 11 year old having consensual sex with an 18 year old.  The dad then beat his child's lover unconscious and then phoned the police.  The child's lover is now in jail and the dad will be facing NO CHARGES.  Obviously, this is absolutely disgusting and I refuse to do nothing about this.

Do you know this guy?  How do you know it was consensual?

Yeah, this as well as entelechy's comments lead me to think that you guys are reaching just a bit too far.  According to one article I read, the boy said that he was told that something bad would happen to him if he told anyone.  entelechy, you say that children should be raised "free range" so that they "can fend off sex that they don't really want."  I don't care how you are raised, children are easily persuaded.  If an 8 year old is threatened with harm, he's likely to go along with the situation.  I just think that you guys are trying to weave the fantasy that an 8 or 9 year old is perfectly capable of consensual sex into your own reality.  I'm not saying that they're stupid and don't understand what's going on but they are also very vulnerable to persuasion.  In addition, saying that the child should be taken to therapy "only if he asks for it."  HUH?  Do you really think that an 11 year old is going to request therapy? 

[entelechy]

MrSpeed,

We don't know the actual events that took place here. Maybe it WAS consensual. Maybe the 18 year old told the boy something bad would happen not as a threat, but explained to him how society handles such interactions. Which is the responsible thing to do. If there was mutual companionship and no force, threat of force, or emotional blackmail, then it was consensual. Problem is we don't really know the circumstances.

You are right that children can be compliant, but that clearly isn't always the case. A child whose parents consistently shelter them from sex and put them in a regular school where they are expected to comply with adult wishes left and right may not feel confident and in control of their bodies and interactions with others. But a child from a youth rights supporting family? With open-minded parents who talk to them about sex and self-ownership as soon as possible? Who go to say, a Sudbury school where they are not subjected to adult persuasion and have complete control over their own learning? Why would that child feel at the mercy of adults? Although I am aware that most children have an upbringing closer to the former than the latter.

Children can be persuaded, but so can adults. Adults cunningly induce other adults into things all the time, especially sex. I'm not saying that it can't happen to children. On the contrary, it can and does.

What I'm saying is that it simply isn't blanketely true that children just go along with anything an adult suggests. A friend of mine on here who departed months ago used to tell me about his LGF. When she was 8, they were hanging out with a mutual friend (another little girl.) His LGF started dancing and then twerked for a moment. My friend and the other girl asked her to keep twerking, to which she said she didn't feel like it. My friend started trying to persuade her, and his LGF got upset and set him straight. Said "No! It's my body, and what I say goes, and I said no." My friend respected her and apologized.

I hate to bring this up, but take the case of Jeffery Curley for example...an extreme one. The 10 year old latchkey kid in the 90s who had befriended two young men in his neighborhood in their early 20s. The three of them went on car rides, went out to eat, etc. The two guys proposed sex to Jeffery eventually and even offered to buy him a new bike in exchange for it. Jeffery declined their offer and fought to the death when they tried to force him, and though he unfortunately lost, my point is that he knew even at 10 years old (!) that he didn't want it, and no amount of pressure or force made him change his mind.

When youth rights/liberation gains ground (and it already is), I don't think that we should embrace adult-child sex unless under specific conditions. I suggest that the adult would have to be someone who isn't in a position of direct authority over the child (no legal guardians), the adult would have to prove themselves to the child's family that they're a valuable supplement to the child's life, and the adult would have to know the child for a decent amount of time, say 6 months to a year.

If the boy in this case is bothered enough by what happened to him, why wouldn't he ask for help?

[entelechy]

I just found out the actual circumstances and the names of the participants involved. I'm pissed. This was completely mutual. The boy wasn't being raped at all. He was enjoying consensual oral sex being performed on him by his older friend (Raymond Frolander.) His dad walked in, saw what was happening and freaked out. The dad went into the kitchen and grabbed a knife. He was getting ready to kill Frolander but his son begged him not to and called 911 for help. There is a 12 minute recording available of this. He was calm at first but began yelling "no, no, no" when he returned to the room he saw the shape that his friend was in and was devastated. The dad is a lowlife scumbag exploiting his son and trying to profit from this situation. He is posting photos of the boy online and asking for one million dollars in donations that he will likely use for himself. This turns my stomach.

Fuck. This boy had to watch someone he loves almost be beaten to death because of this sick society we live in. An innocent moment of affection turned into a traumatic experience with life altering consequences. For nothing.