15-year-old girl shoots multiple people dead

[piñata]

https://kstp.com/kstp-news/top-news/multiple-dead-by-female-juvenile-school-shooting-suspect-marking-first-time-in-45-years/

She was actually quite pretty in my book. It is a real shame she killed herself.

[Pat975]

Sad really.  In my opinion good chance the young lady was being abused.

If you want some insight into a rather diabolical evil personality type go over to YouTube and research narcissism and narcissistic abuse.

[AverageAndy]

So so sad 

[Red Locust]

I would agree that she was probably abused, people don't just become rabid feminists out of thin air. I didn't see it in the article but I have seen where she believed that all men shilould die in order to save humanity, so clearly she was mentally unwell too. I'm just waiting on the report that she was on psychiatric drugs, but that's as unlikely to see the light of day as the Nashville shooter's manifesto.

The US mental healthcare system is broken, and they'll likely see more attacks like that until they address the root causes of the crisis

[on the rocks]

I was genuinely surprised one of these was perpetrated by a girl. Because mass shooters are 'always' boys/men who aren't getting laid.

Catching people up, this happened in December in Madison, WI, USA.
I thought they were investigating some kind of online connection between the shooter and a guy in another part of the country; like they had some pact to both do a spree killing on the same day? Maybe that was the just the kind of rumor that springs up in the immediate aftermath of things like this; I don't know.

We can say all we want about mental healthcare, but the root cause seems to be more about having a society that drives some percent of people insane.  These keep happening and the talking heads always focus on mental health, gun safety and the physical security of schools, etc.  Which I guess is a big step up from a generation ago when they tried to pin it on music and video games.  But I think it still misses the forest for the trees. 

What if there's just something about living in 21st Century America that makes certain people go nuts and want to kill a bunch of randos?  Like society itself is driving people past the brink of sanity.  And it's not going to be something obvious; just the daily, dehumanizing grind of being unfulfilled at work, hopelessly single and financially insecure while being constantly bombarded by negative bullshit by algorithms.  With hope dwindling for a better future, there's less holding back every single person from succumbing to the darkness.

And that's why they keep happening no matter what gun laws we pass or how close to resembling prison compounds we make our schools.

[LikelyHuman]

I was genuinely surprised one of these was perpetrated by a girl. Because mass shooters are 'always' boys/men who aren't getting laid.

Well, that's why I was also a little confused about the headline. Aside from the fact that it's just being a little bit sensationalistic, I'm not trying to be pedantic in pointing out that I do not think this is actually the first female that's conducted a shooting like this in recent time. I think she may just be the only juvenile female that's one it in some time. I can remember some body cam footage of a female school-shooter being killed by the cops, and that was only a few years ago.

On the other hand I think the girl in the one I'm thinking of may not have been a biological girl so maybe that's where they're also drawing the line.

Catching people up, this happened in December in Madison, WI, USA.
I thought they were investigating some kind of online connection between the shooter and a guy in another part of the country; like they had some pact to both do a spree killing on the same day? Maybe that was the just the kind of rumor that springs up in the immediate aftermath of things like this; I don't know.

Yeah, I remember that being the case, and that the man actually didn't go through with it. There was quite a lot of talk at the time about how he must have been grooming her.

We can say all we want about mental healthcare, but the root cause seems to be more about having a society that drives some percent of people insane.  These keep happening and the talking heads always focus on mental health, gun safety and the physical security of schools, etc.  Which I guess is a big step up from a generation ago when they tried to pin it on music and video games.  But I think it still misses the forest for the trees. 

What if there's just something about living in 21st Century America that makes certain people go nuts and want to kill a bunch of randos?  Like society itself is driving people past the brink of sanity.  And it's not going to be something obvious; just the daily, dehumanizing grind of being unfulfilled at work, hopelessly single and financially insecure while being constantly bombarded by negative bullshit by algorithms.  With hope dwindling for a better future, there's less holding back every single person from succumbing to the darkness.

And that's why they keep happening no matter what gun laws we pass or how close to resembling prison compounds we make our schools.

Well, I think it's important to remember that this isn't actually a 21st century phenomenon, it's just gotten much worse in this century. Charles Whitman went up in that bell tower in the 1960s and started picking people off with a sniper rifle, and that's sort of the earliest notion most people, depending on their age, have of a spree killing incident. Of course younger people probably likely imagine Columbine or Sandy Hook, but the crazy thing is you can actually find incidents like that stretching back as far as the 1920s and 1910s too.

I'm not sure if was really modern society that invented the phenomenon of spree killing, but it's self-evident that the technological revolution at the end of the 20th century and the course it has gone throughout the early 21st century has just basically added fuel to a fire that's been burning for a while; I think it's probably very likely that an argument could be made that the industrial revolution had merely stoked a fire burning before it too. I think the unfortunate thing is that we are increasingly losing sight of that with each generation, because each successive generation sees a narrower and narrower scope of when this all really began, and builds faulty assumptions upon that about what the cause of this on-going effect really is. If we actually want to know what the real root cause is, I believe the answers lie a hundred years or more in the past. Unfortunately I'm not really enough of a historian to have my own precise theories on that, but I wouldn't necessarily spend too much time insisting the answer is in understanding the past either. I mean, how important is knowing how a fire started to knowing how to put it out? There are some ways it's helpful to know the origin, because it tells you what type of fire it is and how you may need to extinguish it, but there is also always a very existential time-limit imposed to coming to a conclusion and acting even in the absence of that specific information. Think about it: If there wasn't, then you will burn to death.

That's where the analogy seems to break down, though... Because what existential limit do we have to reach with spree killings before the detriment of the act itself causes society to feel their feet to the fire and move? In truth, a more fitting analogy may not be to think of ourselves burning up in a fire, but being brought up to a slow boil and not noticing we're being cooked alive. The key to that is to remember the heat was on a long time ago, we just have to be smart enough to know we need to jump out of the pot.