Alice In Wonderland busted by Germans

[LikelyHuman]

Makes me ponder where on the LEA priority list our little old site is.
We're only engaging in thought crimes at PSC, so things would really have to be going the cops' way in terms of policing the darkweb to make us a priorty.  Assuming, of course, we don't do something stupid and serve ourselves up on a silver platter.

Well, I suppose one could also try to argue that we somehow facilitate/encourage abuse when we support adult-child relationships that are purported to us. Not even really sure that could be considered against the law anywhere, but it certainly wouldn't surprise me if it was.

[LateComer]

Well, I suppose one could also try to argue that we somehow facilitate/encourage abuse when we support adult-child relationships that are purported to us. Not even really sure that could be considered against the law anywhere, but it certainly wouldn't surprise me if it was.

I believe LEA have bigger problems than this site. If they learned a big producer or sharing site operator was here maybe they change their minds. Now the site is more useful for intelligence and chance of picking off low hanging fruit.

[stalker]

Some people here admit that they have accessed CP, so I guess there might be an incentive to go after them.

Frankly speaking, what happened is scary. All previous attacks were done because someone either was dumb, or made a mistake. This attack is different. Mr. Anders used outdated software, but what would prevent them from capturing traffic for years and analyzing it when flaws are found in (up to date) software used at that time?

[LikelyHuman]

Some people here admit that they have accessed CP, so I guess there might be an incentive to go after them.

Frankly speaking, what happened is scary. All previous attacks were done because someone either was dumb, or made a mistake. This attack is different. Mr. Anders used outdated software, but what would prevent them from capturing traffic for years and analyzing it when flaws are found in (up to date) software used at that time?

To be clear, I think you're talking about the Boystown bust? As far as I'm aware this AiW bust was really mostly the result of a tip. The Boystown one was, allegedly, a timing-analysis attack.

But I think that's kind of what the legislators talking about retention are planning for.

[radagast37]

To be clear, I think you're talking about the Boystown bust? As far as I'm aware this AiW bust was really mostly the result of a tip. The Boystown one was, allegedly, a timing-analysis attack.

That's something which confuses me. When AiW was taken down they left a banner which read:

Anti.Pedo.Sec
Tango Down

Profile information, registration data, login times and dates, public posts, posted media, unencrypted private messages andnIP addresses.

We are everywhere.

If it was really LEA who took down that site, why brag like that? What is this Anti.Pedo.Sec? Is it like Anonymous? Did they hacked the site and send the data to the authorities which then took all the credit?

So many questions.

[Shatterhand]

Well i am glad i never joined AiW now.  I only used the Links pages they had open.

[LateComer]

That's something which confuses me. When AiW was taken down they left a banner which read:

Anti.Pedo.Sec
Tango Down

Profile information, registration data, login times and dates, public posts, posted media, unencrypted private messages andnIP addresses.

We are everywhere.

If it was really LEA who took down that site, why brag like that? What is this Anti.Pedo.Sec? Is it like Anonymous? Did they hacked the site and send the data to the authorities which then took all the credit?

So many questions.

Everything they claim makes sense to me except the IP addresses. I thought the entire point of staying within Tor (as opposed to exiting to clearweb) is that the user's IP is masked by the Tor encryption/routing process.

[radagast37]

Everything they claim makes sense to me except the IP addresses. I thought the entire point of staying within Tor (as opposed to exiting to clearweb) is that the user's IP is masked by the Tor encryption/routing process.

The worst thing that could have happened is that they finally managed to crack down the system and obtain the IP address if the users, the reason many people on the Darkest are panicking right now. As someone mentioned before Tor has been a thing for over 15 years and technology is constantly evolving. This program  are infallible.... until they aren't

[LateComer]

The worst thing that could have happened is that they finally managed to crack down the system and obtain the IP address if the users, the reason many people on the Darkest are panicking right now. As someone mentioned before Tor has been a thing for over 15 years and technology is constantly evolving. This program  are infallible.... until they aren't

Maybe they finally show their hand from Childs Play many years ago. Big case with many arrests. Judge threw out because prosecutor did not share zero day details.

[stalker]

To be clear, I think you're talking about the Boystown bust?

Yes. I got confused because I never visited any of these two.

[Rivers]

The worst thing that could have happened is that they finally managed to crack down the system and obtain the IP address if the users, the reason many people on the Darkest are panicking right now. As someone mentioned before Tor has been a thing for over 15 years and technology is constantly evolving. This program  are infallible.... until they aren't

Tor doesn't expose your IP address. The only way to get it is with Javascript, if you have that disabled (as you should), then you are good.

[LikelyHuman]

Everything they claim makes sense to me except the IP addresses. I thought the entire point of staying within Tor (as opposed to exiting to clearweb) is that the user's IP is masked by the Tor encryption/routing process.

The worst thing that could have happened is that they finally managed to crack down the system and obtain the IP address if the users, the reason many people on the Darkest are panicking right now. As someone mentioned before Tor has been a thing for over 15 years and technology is constantly evolving. This program  are infallible.... until they aren't

So, not being pedantic here, but Tor has been around for a lot longer than 15 years. The protocol itself was devised by the U.S. Navy in 1994, and was actually implemented in software for the first time in 2002. I think the 15 year figure you're getting is the inception of The Tor Project in 2006 (though, technically, that is 18 years and not 15... Okay I'm being a little pedantic now.)

Mostly I'm pointing that out because it's a testament to how robust it really is. The recent takedown of Boystown has lead to a lot of murmurs about how much longer Tor can remain safe, if it still is, but there's a lot about that takedown which is still yet to be widely confirmed and analyzed.  I did start a thread for technical discussions of that here: http://onion.tor.my/forum/index.php?topic=26258.0

Basically, if the reports are to be believed, the authorities pulled off the one attack Tor was most vulnerable to, but that was always said to be impossible. Now there's all his fear that Tor isn't safe anymore if they could pull that off. However, The Tor Project contends that it was actually due to the person using out-dated software that facilitated another type of attack that makes the timing-analysis attack everyone thought was something impossible, into something exponentially easier to accomplish. When I say exponentially, it's not figurative; literally, the amount of data they had to churn through would have been exponentially larger without a "entry guard" attack facilitating the "timing analysis" attack.

Lol hard to think that isn't a technical rundown but basically it's like saying that in nearly 30 years time, there could have possibly been one protocol-breaking attack on Tor, and even when it took the authorities seizing an ISP that serves a 3rd of an entire country, they probably wouldn't have pulled it off if the person caught hadn't been using out-dated software that allowed the compounded attack.

[Enchantress]

Makes me ponder where on the LEA priority list our little old site is.
We're only engaging in thought crimes at PSC, so things would really have to be going the cops' way in terms of policing the darkweb to make us a priorty.  Assuming, of course, we don't do something stupid and serve ourselves up on a silver platter.

They probably have people on here just in case someone slips up but I doubt they're actively trying to find the owners and take this site down lol. There's no CP on here so it's definitely low on their priority list. One of the ChildsPlay admins used to post here before they got caught and I don't think they found that out until way after lol

[Enchantress]

I haven't been on Tor in a long while and haven't been on a CP site in even longer, but it's still weird how the admins running these very illegal child porn sites leave enough of a paper trail that they all get caught one after another as soon as one person gets caught. If these admins followed their own OPSEC rules they'd be free right now. Every time I see an article about the arrest of a CP forum admin, they made some very avoidable mistake because they thought with their cock more than their brain.

[LikelyHuman]

I haven't been on Tor in a long while and haven't been on a CP site in even longer, but it's still weird how the admins running these very illegal child porn sites leave enough of a paper trail that they all get caught one after another as soon as one person gets caught. If these admins followed their own OPSEC rules they'd be free right now. Every time I see an article about the arrest of a CP forum admin, they made some very avoidable mistake because they thought with their cock more than their brain.

Well, the blood-flow gets diverted...

That's why we put a girl in charge.