First of all I have to say, I think the only acceptable scenario where an adult and a child are sexually active is when both parts are fully participant, specially the child. He or she is fully aware of the situation and gives his consent to engage into sexual activities with the adult. This consent is specially necessary if the pair are father and daughter.
With all that said, I must confess I have a particularly fetish for TV series and movies where it's implied that the father is having a sexually affair or i, "abusing" his daughter ( and let's be honest, every instance in mainstream media where a man having sex with his daughter will be considered abuse or rape), even if sex is never fully shown ( and usually never is). Just the mention of the situation causes something in me that makes me terribly horny.
An example , on the Netflix movie Gerald's Game, the protagonist has a memory when she was 12 and her father tricked her into sitting on his lap during an eclipse and masturbates while she's distracted watching it. Later, using clever reverse psychology, he manipulates her into silence and never reveal what he did to his mother, brothers or anyone else.
In another movie, An American Haunting ( a horror one) a divorced couple has the shared custody of his teenage daughter and is implied that the father is abusing her on the days she stays with him. At one point in the movie the mother tells her daughter : "you have to get ready for your father. It's his weekend with you". Just hearing the woman says this words knowing what it actually meant caused me and arousal similar to when I watched a porno film, ( either regular porn or CP).
Is it Ok, is just me, others experience something similar?
Sounds like you're reading subtext. There are many layers. It's like multi-verses. Yeah, I do that. Who's to say whether it's there or not? I love this site because we can discuss this stuff!
It catches my attention as well. Though many times, I wish that story ended before act 3, when the shit hits the fan and the show/movie punishes the adult for their crime. I often re-frame the story to being one that is consensual so I can enjoy the thought of those two characters having fun. I justify that by assuming the story as presented is being told after the memory of those events have been contaminated with anti-sex and anti-pedo propaganda. The sex is remembered as abuse well after the fact, when at the time, the child/teen was actually into it and the adult was super nice about it.
Seems to happen often enough in reality, so why not assume that's what's going in all these shows and movies that have an abuse story arc for one of the characters?
I totally agree radagast37, that turns me on without a doubt. It's the sexuality and scenarios that fire me up. I don't need porn, even the implication of child sexuality works for me. Even more so because how often it really is just a reflection of reality.
Quote from: on the rocks on 11 February, 2023, 23:14:27
I often re-frame the story to being one that is consensual so I can enjoy the thought of those two characters having fun. I justify that by assuming the story as presented is being told after the memory of those events have been contaminated with anti-sex and anti-pedo propaganda.
That's what I...usually think when someone talks about some specific case of abuse. Sure, if it's the very girl that was once abused, maybe she explains in detail how horrendous it was that I can't possibly say it wasn't. But it's true... Even when the memories are of a terrible episode, those memories may well have been mocked up by what everyone pushes the person into thinking - the only truth, isn't it? That it was all terrible (which could very well not have been the case).
In that sense, by re-framing it (or just in the lack of indication that it was abusive), not an arousal but, I do feel... happy. As if my heart felt warmer. Like when you think of something good that makes the world better. Does pedophilia makes the world better? I like to believe so. If it's love... Love always makes the world better, even more when you can love someone, and by doing so, saving her/him from the crudeness of the world...the world in which they make you to be born, study, grow up, obey, work, buy, die.
So it really makes me happy. Not aroused, but, close. Emotionally aroused xD
Unfortunately this is pretty much the only place I can read about such cases without the "everything was an abuse and terrible" mask on... And if it was indeed abusive, people here will also tell.
I have a vague, hazy memory of a cautionary - probably heavy-handed - movie or perhaps after school special(?) from many years ago where it was not very graphic but definitely depicted that a boy was being put into prostitution and at one point I think it was heavily implied that he was being made to do make CP. I think there was a moment where you saw him being taken into a room full of video equipment and looked worried. Does this ring a bell for anyone?
There's an episode of the old TV show "Adam-12" where a guy is drugging young boys and using them for sex. The cops bust n and lift one of the boys out of bed. He's about 12, shirtless and wearing lipstick, rescuing him from his horrible fate.
In another episode, they pull over a car being driven by a guy who says the little girl in the back seat is his niece or something. Questioned separately, the girl (who's maybe 7 or so) says she's never seen him before. Mom comes running out, and picks up the girl, whose short sundress rides up exposing her panties.
In one more episode that I recall, they're hunting for a missing girl whose wearing some type of distinctive clothing. When they question a guy at his door, they notice a garment fitting the description, bust in and find the girl in a back room. I can't remember if she was tied up, on a dirty mattress, something like that though.
So yeah, awful crimes! Then again...
In the film "Gardens of Night" an 8 yo girl is abducted, sexually abused and used for child pornography. Her clients include men in positions of authority.
One of such clients is a judge who rents out the young girl's services, forces her to bathe and then tells her to put on a pink ballerina outfit. In the next scene, (obviously after he already had sex with her), she's waiting for her "pimp" to pick her up, and the judge convinces his wife she's a friend's daughter he's taking care for the afternoon, so she suggests she waits for him on their daughter's room ( because , surprise, the judge had three daughters around the same age of the little girl) To our surprise, one of the daughters is wearing a ballerina outfit similar as the one the little girl was asked to put on. The two girls look at each other as they (and the audience) realize what's going on.
Quote from: radagast37 on 21 February, 2023, 22:17:08
In the film "Gardens of Night" an 8 yo girl is abducted, sexually abused and used for child pornography. Her clients include men in positions of authority.
Never heard of this one! Thanks! It's available from several sources, if you're interested in watching it. The little blonde is quite beautiful. I'm watching it now..not sure what to make of it yet. It's not cheery...
Yes I do get aroused imagination can be a great or terrible thing and this topic really fires it up
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He's about 12, shirtless and wearing lipstick
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1-Adam-12, 1-Adam-12, see the man...
Is it bad that I know the reference? Lol joys of grandparents watching old TV show reruns...
I found another perfect example. In one episode of the acclaimed Netflix series "Haunting of Hill House" the main protagonist Theo is some kind of psychic with the ability to see and feel things when she touches a person or an object. She works as a child psychologist and one of his patients is a 9yo girl named Kelsey. She has been acting strange since she was placed in a new foster home with other two kids and is having nightmares about a man she has nick names Mr. Smiley because "he always smiles but is never happy". She tells Theo he lives in the basement and on the nights comes to her room, as she explains it : "I hear a creek on the stairs, then my doorknob, then is in my room".
Theo visits Kelsey's foster parents' house to investigate Kelsey's reports. In the basement, she begins to touch the familyś belongings, using her sensitive abilities to find the source of Kelsey's trauma. Theo touches the sofa, and catches the infused emotion within it. She lies on the sofa and stars convulsing, covering her mouth and moving her pelvis up and down. Then looks at the wood above and notices the wood patterns shaped in a smile like the one described by Kelsey. When she gets upstairs, she shakes hands with Kelsey's foster father and, having touched his hand, confirms her suspicions.
Mr. Smiley is her foster parent. Every night he came to her bedroom, picked her up, took her to the basement and had sex with her on the sofa, he on top of her and she facing the ceiling. The convulsions she had represented the act of penetration. He couldn't abuse her on her bedroom because as stated earlier there were two other kids on the house. Obviously Theo alert the authorities and the man is arrested.
The most amazing thing is the creators could've depicted a regular child abuse story but they developed this intricate scenario when you have to gather all the clues to came up with the conclusion.
Gross, I hate shows/movies that popularize bullshit psychics because then real people will believe these con artists if they say some kid is being "abused". It has happened over and over again; some so-called "psychic" has a "vision" that maybe some kid, especially one with like a disability like severe autism or downs syndrome, is maybe being molested. So people's lives get ruined while authorities do their due diligence in the wake of an accusation; even if it was pulled out of some con artist's lying asshole.
And the only reason the general public is open to even listening to these hacks is because they are bombarded with all sorts of entertainment that makes it seem like maybe it could work. But it doesn't. It never has and it never will. And shame on Hollywood for continuing to push this harmful bullshit on people.
I totally get the thrill of it. I used to watch Law & Order SVU just for that purpose.
Quote from: itdobelikethat on 19 June, 2023, 04:36:50
I totally get the thrill of it. I used to watch Law & Order SVU just for that purpose.
I agree, being a show which specializes in sex case, there where some juici ones:
A court judge was harsh on sex offenders after he raped his 11-year-old stepdaughter and conceived a son.
There was also the episode with a man who wanted lots of kids so he arranged for other men to impregnate his wife and, when she could no longer conceive, he artificially inseminated his daughter. It wasn't his sperm, but really that hardly matters.
In another episode, a slew of young girls have been seduced by a man they believe to be their biological father (the result of a sperm donation he made in college).
A slimy politician in the Season 8 opener has a history of molesting his stepdaughter, who later became a drug addict. He also seems to be grooming his younger daughter who is actually the stepdaughter's child born of the incest.
The one I enjoyed the most: a teacher is caught having sex with his 17yo student. Turns out that girl was his own daughter whose existence he ignored which he conceived in previous affair with another underage girl years prior.
Quote from: on the rocks on 19 June, 2023, 01:38:59
Gross, I hate shows/movies that popularize bullshit psychics because then real people will believe these con artists if they say some kid is being "abused". It has happened over and over again; some so-called "psychic" has a "vision" that maybe some kid, especially one with like a disability like severe autism or downs syndrome, is maybe being molested. So people's lives get ruined while authorities do their due diligence in the wake of an accusation; even if it was pulled out of some con artist's lying asshole.
And the only reason the general public is open to even listening to these hacks is because they are bombarded with all sorts of entertainment that makes it seem like maybe it could work. But it doesn't. It never has and it never will. And shame on Hollywood for continuing to push this harmful bullshit on people.
That's true. The show is basically a ghost story and the abilities of the protagonist come in handy in later episodes. But from all scenario they came up to get a glimpse of those abilities, the had to choose the old "girl abused by her stepdad" one?
Back to the point of this post, the girl in question was pretty hot!!! Petite brown her, brown eyes and just adorable. You could understand why the stepfather just couldn't resist her.
And as I said, even if it's not show you can picture in your mind the whole scenario of how he picked from her bedroom and took her to the basement to have sex with her.
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Quote from: itdobelikethat on 19 June, 2023, 04:36:50
I totally get the thrill of it. I used to watch Law & Order SVU just for that purpose.
I agree, being a show which specializes in sex case, there where some juici ones:
A court judge was harsh on sex offenders after he raped his 11-year-old stepdaughter and conceived a son.
There was also the episode with a man who wanted lots of kids so he arranged for other men to impregnate his wife and, when she could no longer conceive, he artificially inseminated his daughter. It wasn't his sperm, but really that hardly matters.
In another episode, a slew of young girls have been seduced by a man they believe to be their biological father (the result of a sperm donation he made in college).
A slimy politician in the Season 8 opener has a history of molesting his stepdaughter, who later became a drug addict. He also seems to be grooming his younger daughter who is actually the stepdaughter's child born of the incest.
The one I enjoyed the most: a teacher is caught having sex with his 17yo student. Turns out that girl was his own daughter whose existence he ignored which he conceived in previous affair with another underage girl years prior.
And, like many of the core Law and Order shows, the stories are often loosely based on real events.
In the 2017 film Split the main character Casey is groomed by her uncle for abuse since she was a child by playing "games" with her that turn sexual; for example, when he goes with Casey and her father on a hunting trip, he waits until he and his niece are alone and tells her to take off her clothes with him so they can pretend to be animals.
After the death of Casey's father, John becomes her legal guardian, and having gained complete custody over her, he subjects her to years of sexual abuse. It is implied the abuse continued until her teenage years. What makes this situation more exciting is that teenage Casey is played by Anya Taylor - Joy, one of the hottest actresses right now.
There were many positive, sensitive movies produced in the 70s, mostly foreign films, that depicted older man, young girl coming of age love. Positive depictions of child love are censored now, and never make it to the screen.
Negative depictions however, abound. And we call western civilization "free"
On the first season of the American Horror Story Tv series a family move out to a house which turns out to be haunted after the man cheated his wife with a student almost the same age as her teenage daughter. Once the move, he even feel attracted to the sexy maid of the house.
In one scene his daughter, tired of his behavior confronts him by saying:
"You're a cheater: Young girls, old ladies with feather dusters! You're so weird and pathetic I'm surprised you're not after me."
It might not mean nothing but I find it both funny and arousing.
A few weeks ago I watched a thriller film called Caddo Lake about the mysterious disappearances which take place on the aforementioned body of water in Louisiana, Texas.
The protagonist is Ellie, a 17 year old girl whose father is one of the disappeared, but whose mother thinks actually was cheating on her and ran away, this because of an altercation she had with a woman years ago who she believed was his lover.
Of course the twist of the movie (sorry for spoiling it for you guys) is that the lake contains a series of time portlas, anyone who wanders around there is inadvertently transported to different periods of time.
As you now suspected, Ellie traveld through one of those portals and she realizes she was the woman her mother thought her father was having an affair with . During her confrontation her mother told her things like "tell him to come home, and I don't care if he's with you, I don't care".
Well, I don't know what I find more arousing, the fact her mother thought her daughter was having an affair with her own father or the fact she was totally OK with her husband, a 30 something man, to be in a relationship with a 17 year old girl !!!
I love it, and I'll go one over: I love hearing about it in real cases too.
We often hear or read about child abuse through the cold lens of statistics, but when a case actually makes it to the papers (especially with details) it is so thrilling. Even hotter than watching it on CP, makes the whole thing more real somehow.
I am aroused by those pedophilic hints from TV shows as well, tho I would say I'm not fond of the whole "trick" and "manipulate" thing. It feels much more authentic to mê if a child already had feeling for their parent without the need of mind games.
Pretty much the whole reason I've watched as many episodes of Law & Order SVU as I have. They usually paint the "rapists" in a fairly stereotypical manner even when it's consensual, but it's still fun to see the girls on screen that are allegedly the victims and how I might re-write the script a little.
I confess that implied relationships of a sexual nature between a grownup with a minor. It guilts me when the story is about "abuse," which almost ALL of them are (our culture only sees one way for this kind of thing to exist, right now, so that's what media represents), because it still turns me on a bit -- it's just the THOUGHT of it. It may be my incest kink, because the idea of a Father/Daughter doing it is what perks my ears my most. And guilts me the most.
Still, I've seen representations in some movies (mostly European) in which the implied relationship appears to be consensual and not so abusive. I remember seeing a French film, for example, about a Mother/Son pairing while the boy was going through adolescence. La Luna, or something like that? I remember that the title had something to do with the moon.
I also dig Greek mythology for the same reason.
Quote from: PrimeMeridian on 10 December, 2024, 04:33:03Still, I've seen representations in some movies (mostly European) in which the implied relationship appears to be consensual and not so abusive. I remember seeing a French film, for example, about a Mother/Son pairing while the boy was going through adolescence. La Luna, or something like that? I remember that the title had something to do with the moon.
Yes, La Luna.
Decent film, but not great.
And yes, European cinema (or rather, world cinema outside the US) has historically been much more lax with child sex, especially between older women and younger boys.
You can even find real footage of simulated child sex, like the young boy sucking on an woman's tits in Amarcord, or a young boy being touched by a naked woman in Love Strange Love.
I juwt watched an episode of the Anthology series "Masters of Horror" called "Family" about a lovable but lonely serial killer who kidnaps and murders people to make them a part of his "family." Norman Bates style, he imagines his victims are actually willing to come with him. When it comes the time to add a teenage daughter to his family, he sits in his car in front of a school, he noticed a pretty young blonde among the crowd and his deranged mind starts to work as he imagines the girls looks at him andvery seductively tell her: "I could be your daughter, you could come into my room late at night and....." finishing her sentence by seductively bitting her tongue.
Yeah, I always notice and am interested in shows with such content, even if it's usually absurd. Law & Ordre SVU was practically abuse erotica.
Another thing I am interested in is true crime material. I'm fascinated by news stories about guys having sex with and often photographing girls that they know. I always feel bad for everybody involved because it always seems to end up bad for them. I am usually impressed by the nerve of the guy to try it and his luck in getting away with it for sometimes YEARS. Sometimes I wonder if the images they talk about are something you'd be familiar with.
In "The Butterfly Effect" (spoiler, sorry) we finally discover that the only way that Ashton Kucher can save the girl he loves is by going back in time to when they were children, so he can make sure she hates him. If she likes him, she will stay with her dad instead of moving away with her mom. Her asshole dad also turns out to be an old school kiddie porn producer. In one scene, Kucher pops into his childhood self in the middle of a shot with the girl, and we see them naked from the shoulders up as dad tells them to do something they obviously don't want to do. I've never gotten that image out of my head, even though the way they get there goes against everything I say I believe.
I'm also drawn to L&O SVU. The theme is playing in my head right now.
Real life stories, too. I have to be careful about news links that pop up in my clearnet feed, because I don't want the algo to connect me with on topic content in real life. I wish there were more news stories posted on the "Crime and Punishment" board, so I could satisfy my curiosity in safety.
There's a detail on the Terrifier movies just a few of us noticed. On the second part the protagonist Sienna wears a "Warrior Angel" Halloween costume, a Valkyrie like attire clearly inspired on the medieval warriors which leaves little to the imagination. This costume is said to be inspired by a drawing of her late father. Well, on the third movie we see a flashback to the moment when as a child, she's handed that drawing by her dad and we found out it was supposed to be her.
And that's the detailed many pointed out, how creepy is her dad draw an adult version of his 5 year old daughter as a sexy ass half naked warrior angel.
Quote from: VanMcVan on 09 March, 2025, 16:28:36In "The Butterfly Effect" (spoiler, sorry) we finally discover that the only way that Ashton Kucher can save the girl he loves is by going back in time to when they were children, so he can make sure she hates him. If she likes him, she will stay with her dad instead of moving away with her mom. Her asshole dad also turns out to be an old school kiddie porn producer. In one scene, Kucher pops into his childhood self in the middle of a shot with the girl, and we see them naked from the shoulders up as dad tells them to do something they obviously don't want to do. I've never gotten that image out of my head, even though the way they get there goes against everything I say I believe.
I'm also drawn to L&O SVU. The theme is playing in my head right now.
Real life stories, too. I have to be careful about news links that pop up in my clearnet feed, because I don't want the algo to connect me with on topic content in real life. I wish there were more news stories posted on the "Crime and Punishment" board, so I could satisfy my curiosity in safety.
Okay, here is a real life working example. I have always had that movie on the B list to watch, but now it has pretty much floated to the top, just on that premise.
Quote from: TooLittleTime on 14 April, 2025, 14:44:21Okay, here is a real life working example. I have always had that movie on the B list to watch, but now it has pretty much floated to the top, just on that premise.
Well ... do just keep in mind that in
The Butterfly Effect, we really are talking about unequivocal abuse. It's not just a societal label on a socially awkward and culturally taboo relationship in that film -- the father figure destroys his daughter's life in timeline after timeline (mild spoilers). Neither of the kids involved have 'fun'.
Of course, that is probably by design. The difference between this particular example and others, I think, is that the predatory nature of the fature and the impact it has on the scared kids is so graphically depicted in the film. I don't mean sex and nudity by that, just ... well, you'll see. It's psychological. :-/
That's one where I had no difficulty fighting any naughty interest, at least. There are others where it's more vague for me, heh.
Also no insult to anyone who did find it alluring. It's all make-believe, anyway.
I wish I could say my interest in child adult relationships was limited to purely loving, cooperative and consensual, to the most extent possible. But reality is rarely this way and so are my interests.
Measuring CP where a lot of it created in circumstances likely similar to what the movie portrays against a purely fictional account, taking interest in that account is unavoidable to me. Thanks for the heads up, it at least fits one of my primary non-fiction and fictional tastes. And that is where the young female protagonist prevails, though in this case it may be in the end, the positive result she does not even know of, where the alternative outcomes of her life were much worse.
The overall story seems even more compelling, given your description :)
We all, or hopefully so, want everyone important to be happy at the end.
There's a scene in the tv show "The Magicians" where it is revealed that Martin Chatwin was sexually abused as a child. Naturally, the abuse was violent, non-consensual, and traumatic, causing him to become 'the Beast" when he got older, thus perpetuating the myth that all child sexuality is horrific and leads to ptsd and twisted personalities.
I once brought attention to a Law and Order SVU episode titled "Good Girl"
http://onion.tor.my/forum/index.php?topic=27198.msg293074#msg293074
To summarize a widowed man secretly married and got pregnant his 13yo stepdaughter even go to the lengths of murder to protect their secret, what I didn't mention is that is episode contains the most arousing, ironic and sometimes funniest dialogue I've heard on this series.
First, when the girl Mackenzie is brought to the stand as she is asked to detail how their relationship with her stepfather started, and in front of her biological father who showed up for the trial:
Mackenzie: I think I've always loved him. From the first time I saw him.
Prosecutor: When was that?
Mackenzie: When he started dating Mom. He made us so happy. He would read me his books before bed. His voice was like gold or something. I always got goosebumps.
Prosecutor: So you loved him like you would a rock star?
Mackenzie: No
Prosecutor: A father?
Mackenzie: I wouldn't know about that. I've never had a father.
Your Honor, that man sitting right there, I don't even know him. He left before I was even born and any law that says I need his permission to be happy is a stupid law. And I love him like a wife loves a husband.
Prosecutor: Like your mother loved him.
Mackenzie: That's right.
Prosecutor: What do you think she would say about your marriage?
Mackenzie: She'd be happy that I found a good man, just like she did.
Prosecutor: You mean the same man, don't you?
Mackenzie: You don't know anything. Before Mom died, she told me to take care of him.
Prosecutor: I doubt this is what she meant.
Then when the stepdad is cornered and had to confess his crime:
Howard: I lost your mother. I couldn't take the chance that anyone would find out about us.
Detective: But your marriage was legal. There's nothing to be ashamed of, unless.....
Howard: I am not ashamed! You look at her. How could you not fall in love with someone so beautiful and so sweet? An angel sent from heaven to bless my life, to bless me, and look at us now. Your stupid laws have ruined us. My whole life I've searched for real love and I found it.
What was I supposed to do?
Detective: Waiting till she was 18 would've been a good start.
That's some fairly sympathetic dialogue from a franchise that usually traffics in moral panic and police state propaganda. :P
Quote from: radagast37 on 15 April, 2026, 05:50:36...
Detective: Waiting till she was 18 would've been a good start.
I deeply hate people who actually believe that 18 is a magical age of maturity, especially for girls. I do not understand this belief. I do understand the evil power it gives over normal men with normal natural feelings tho.
QuoteI deeply hate people who actually believe that 18 is a magical age of maturity, especially for girls. I do not understand this belief. I do understand the evil power it gives over normal men with normal natural feelings tho.
I think in this particular case it doesn't matter the maturity or lack of it, but the legality of the situation, the point of the whole episode is that the guy couldn't be nailed por sexual abuse cause she was having sex with a 13yo since she was legally her wife.
Quote from: preggoKiddos on 20 April, 2026, 05:26:50I deeply hate people who actually believe that 18 is a magical age of maturity, especially for girls. I do not understand this belief. I do understand the evil power it gives over normal men with normal natural feelings tho.
"Hate" is a strong word. I don't think I can "hate" anyone for just existing in the culture and society that they were born in, for better or worse. :-(
I will confess an annoyance at a cultural habit that I've been hearing more and more often, and seems to be pretty much mainstream now (especially among younger generations) -- that is calling an adult who gets caught doing things with a LATE teenager (16, 17) a "pedophile." I have to roll my eyes at that, because it's just absurd to pretend that you can't understand an adult's sexual attraction to a person that is, for all intents and purposes, fully developed sexually and with their secondary sexual characteristics on full display, including the emission of pheromones in their scent and the whole nine yards.
It may not be a GOOD idea for an adult to hook up with a 17-year-old (arguable), and also arguable is that a 17-year-old lacks the understanding of the "ramifications" of sex (mostly culturally induced psychological consequences if safe sex is practiced), but you can't accurately call the older partner in that relationship a "pedophile," nor do I like that they're called "predators" even in completely consentual situations. That is just TOOOOOOO close to their magical arbitrary cutoff line.
"Pedophilia" is a real sexual attraction to children too young to have entered puberty, thus makes no biological reproduction sense, and is the thing that shows real neurodivergence and psychological science would more properly recognize as a disorder. Anyone capable of needing to buy DD size, or growing a full beard and completely filling out a jock strap, is not going to appeal to an actual pedophile (pure one, anyway).
Even more frustrating is that unfortunately you cannot call these inaccurate and arbitrarily escalated words out when someone in society uses them -- there are very few that want to hear any kind of defense of what they view as a "pedo." If for some reasom they were unable to state that the Sun comes up every morning without also (hypothetically) somehow even lowering the SEVERITY of how evil the pedophile is in their mind, they wouldn't want to be hearing about the Sun, either.
There is almost across-the-board-loathing for those with attractions like these in our current civilization, and it makes one wonder how previous civilizations never seemed to have such harsh views about it it. (HINT -- It wasn't until Abrahamic religions took hold of everything that the tradition of indoctrination on this subject began).
Quote from: PrimeMeridian on 30 April, 2026, 06:43:55There is almost across-the-board-loathing for those with attractions like these in our current civilization, and it makes one wonder how previous civilizations never seemed to have such harsh views about it it. (HINT -- It wasn't until Abrahamic religions took hold of everything that the tradition of indoctrination on this subject began).
While I am with you on most of your rant, a rant we all need to get out every now and then, this last part is simply not true. Traditionally, Abrahamic religions haven't had a strong stance on the issue. In fact, Muslims are among the most pedo-friendly cultures of all time. Today's insanity has evolved out of Puritan views. Even the original Puritans were accepting of relationships once puberty is mostly complete. You just need to get married first. Raising the AoC has always been a cultural thing, and it has been pushed into all cultures.
On the other hand, pedo has never been fully accepted. As far as I can tell, in every single culture across time, there are always at least a small group of people that try to encourage people to wait until 18 or so. They usually didn't do much about it, just participate in idle gossip. It is good that people are a little wary of young relationships, because there really are extra dangers there. Only in today's culture do we see a reaction of mass hysteria and angry mobs.
I suppose while I am here, I ought to answer the original question. For me, it's complicated. Yes, any mention of underage relationships or rape does peak my interest. Sometimes I enjoy it, and sometimes it really disturbs me. I never know how I will respond, even when revisiting something I have already seen or read about. I always want to read a news article about an instance of child sexual abuse, and half the time I regret my decision to look. It's an emotional minefield.
A lot of it is just me, and the results of the trauma I have been through. It's very confusing. I don't know why it is possible for me to sometimes see hurtcore and it doesn't bother me, and other times even a hint of hesitation is enough to make me fall apart. In the last week, I got around to watching Hounddog (2007). That really did a number on me. Even after most of a week, I still feel disturbed and like I am shaking inside. Why would Dakota Fanning acting it out disturb me more than real videos?
Yes, I am drawn to underage sex in the media, and I hate it. The way things are portrayed when produced for the mainstream, there is a decent chance it will trigger me. They always try to highlight the ugliest aspects, and sometimes I can't handle it.
Religion is always a factor, granted, but there's a more clear causation rooted in the industrial revolution as human civilization shifted from a mostly agrarian society to a mostly industrialized, urban society. The new system demanded an increasingly educated general population in order to fill the need for labor. More education means prolonging 'childhood', thus the steady onset of age of consent laws and shifting attitudes regarding teenagers getting married. Hell, the whole concept of "teenager" is a 20th Century invention. And it came right at the peak of western industrial might; the culmination of generational changes begun when humans first started gathering in factories to build stuff.
This is the cliff notes version since it's a bit off topic in this thread, but I don't think most people appreciate just how profoundly the Industrial Revolution changed society. This far into it, we sometimes lack perspective of just how relatively new all of the changes that were precipitated by it really are. Human civilizations was one way before the Industrial Revolution and and has been a completely different way ever since. It touches everything, man.
The temptation is there to pin pedophobia on religion or feminists or whatever particular political persuasion one is already predisposed to dislike, but those are all just symptoms of the root cause, not the cause itself. For that, you gotta take a hard look at the Industrial Revolution and understand the massive ripple effects it has created beyond the grade school explanations about interchangeable parts and assembly lines and lower costs to produce a given item. It's the social impacts that are the most consequential.
Last year Lifetime premiered another of it original movies "I Was a Child Bride: The Courtney Stodden Story" The film follows 16-year-old Courtney Stodden, who in 201 married 51-year-old Doug Hutchison while pursuing her dreams in the entertainment industry. I feel curious who this channel approached this particular subject, will it be a impartial view of the situation or it will condemn this relationship. Well, just as the movie starts it shows a disclaimer which says:
"The following film contains sensitive themes involving a minor. It includes grooming, substance abuse, domestic abuse, sexual assault........"
Maybe it was naive to think it would be otherwise.
Lifetime isn't exactly known for movies that "leave it up to the viewer to decide." :P
Like their entire catalogue is about women in abusive relationships. The husband or the step-father or the boss or the seemingly benign neighbor is always a manipulative asshole who will at some point threaten to kill the protagonist. And they always use the broadest interpretation of the phrase "based on a true story".
Quote from: PrimeMeridian on 30 April, 2026, 06:43:55It may not be a GOOD idea for an adult to hook up with a 17-year-old (arguable), and also arguable is that a 17-year-old lacks the understanding of the "ramifications" of sex (mostly culturally induced psychological consequences if safe sex is practiced), but you can't accurately call the older partner in that relationship a "pedophile," nor do I like that they're called "predators" even in completely consentual situations. That is just TOOOOOOO close to their magical arbitrary cutoff line. . . . Even more frustrating is that unfortunately you cannot call these inaccurate and arbitrarily escalated words out when someone in society uses them -- there are very few that want to hear any kind of defense of what they view as a "pedo." If for some reasom they were unable to state that the Sun comes up every morning without also (hypothetically) somehow even lowering the SEVERITY of how evil the pedophile is in their mind, they wouldn't want to be hearing about the Sun, either.
Forgive me for editing your post. I only want to address the absurd, ridiculous, totally arbitrary way the word "pedophile" is tossed around in Western society. I am personally acquainted with a couple that have been having sexual relations for three years: they started when she was 26, and he was 67. Don't ask me to explain this strange arrangement, but it's real, it's happening, and they have not hidden it. Some of the young lady's peers have gasped and warned her that the man (who she calls her boyfriend) is a "pedophile," because of the difference in their ages. (The girl is not stupid or clueless; at this moment, she's a graduate student in a medical field.) These silly girls have been conditioned by society to see a pedophile under every bed or behind every bush, so that this young lady is shamed and shunned for her relationship with an older man. Society is simply obsessed with this subject.