What are the no-contacts' opinions on child porn?

[Gaki]

The problem with addictions are they are shameful. We don't like to feel shame, and want to feel good, so... we succumb further to whatever we're addicted to. The more you use it, the more you'll "need" it.

As you point out, addiction is a means to distract us from the pain we have in our lives.  For some strange reason, today's society seems to want to avoid pain.  We seem to think of it as some sort of weakness, when it is an important learning mechanism, a way to strengthen us in the crucible of emotion.  I have very strong views on Child Porn, and I am willing to elaborate once again, but I think I have said a few times in this thread.  So I will not delve into the dichotomy of the breech of privacy and trust that distributing something that was shared so intimately with someone - even willingly - is on a child, and how we are part of that.

But I will go into the response from KitKat.  There is a great thread of one of our long-standing members here that decided to challenge himself by kicking the porn habit altogether, especially CP.  He found his libido increase, his ability to imagine and find arousal from his imagination increase over the time he took.  When he reached the point that he wanted, he realized that it was a crutch that he no longer needed.  I encourage you to kick the habit.  When you feel that pang, the emptiness that leads you to open your stash, ask yourself what it is you actually are craving.  It could be companionship, it could be love, it could be avoiding a loss.  While this is not as 'sexy' and immediately satisfying, the point is, it is not the need to sexually satisfy yourself that is driving you to look at your stash, but rather the need to avoid the pain of lack of companionship, lack of love, the memory of loss that you are trying to drown out.  Rather than using alcohol, drugs, television, food, you are using the natural endorphins that sexual release bring to help alleviate this pain.  Just like these other temporary measures, they do not offer long-lasting solutions.

Facing this pain, understanding it, accepting it, integrating it is something your spirit is calling out for.  Taking the time to step away from the addition is the only way to achieve this.

I wish you luck KitKat.
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[A.S.Turnip]

Okay... how many posts until I can give karma, because that deserved one.

If a conservative is someone who isn't active, I guess I qualify, though I do believe that could change under specific circumstances. I tend to bounce between relationships and porn, and as I get older, the former has been decreasing while the latter has been increasing. (I also think my consumption of adult porn has been increasing as the amount of cp has been decreasing.) I'm addicted to cp, and I only consider cp to be shameful. Adult porn just doesn't seem like a big deal in comparison.

[Stigmatize]

Okay... how many posts until I can give karma, because that deserved one.

If a conservative is someone who isn't active, I guess I qualify, though I do believe that could change under specific circumstances. I tend to bounce between relationships and porn, and as I get older, the former has been decreasing while the latter has been increasing. (I also think my consumption of adult porn has been increasing as the amount of cp has been decreasing.) I'm addicted to cp, and I only consider cp to be shameful. Adult porn just doesn't seem like a big deal in comparison.

My personal interpretation is that there's a lot more than inactivity that goes into being a conservative pedo. Someone who would pursue an adult-child relationship but hasn't had the opportunity yet isn't a conservative by most definitions. By some definitions, a viewer of CP isn't either. Whether they fault themselves or not, I feel like most who self-identify as conservative pedophiles do so out of a strong moral imperitive not to harm children. It's a conscientious choice rather than something born of consequence. I could pursue relationships with children, but I don't. There's too much potential for them to come to harm as a result. I avoid child porn partly because I consider it exploitative and also partly because I probably wouldn't stop if I started.

[Gaki]

For your information A.S. Turnip, we do have a post of what a Conservative is and is not, we do have an actual definition and conduct that must be adhered to in this Board so we do not start cascading into nitpicking about who is or is not a 'real' conservative.

Code of Conduct, Definition, and Remit

Like Stigmatize, I believe child porn is entirely exploitative.  I also believe the media reposting images of children in a format that is clearly meant to stimulate adults in a sexualized way is just as exploitative.  While we as child lovers may stumble onto photos or onto a beautiful child and think 'how lovely' and drink it in, filing the memory away for a darker time, to deliberately rummaging around the internet looking for more is just as bad as following children around to perv on them, in my thoughts.  It is not a healthy approach to life or engagement of other humans, namely children. 

I used to view CP, like most here.  And I was not always this adamant about this, but have become so for a number of reasons, that I cannot and will not go into here.

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[loligirl]

Child porn is fucked up.
Do you honestly think the children agreed to have their pictures and videos uploaded to the public for thousands of people to download it? What's the likelihood the child even agreed to be filmed ?
If you pay for it, how do you know you aren't paying a rapist? How do you know if what you are seeing is consensual?
What if you pay for CP and you support a company that trafficks children?

Just watch loli hentai.

[on the rocks]

Yet another great reason to never, ever pay for child pornography.

I've stated this before, but the real currency among child pornographers isn't dollars or euros or bitcoins; it's the porn.  Access to new and/or exclusive stuff is how they barter with each other.  And that's where driving demand can incentivize harm.  People are motivated to produce so they can trade their new stuff for access to other people's new stuff.  Back when I collected, I would encounter content with some handmade sign shouting out some site or group or individual.  It makes one realize this was only done so someone could impress others.

[Rubbedredraw]

I am a conservative, in many, many aspects IRL, and online. There are a few things I'm libertarian on. I'm also a Christian. Now with thar being said, everyone has things they struggle with (morally,physically and emotionally) this is one of mine. Now many folks have the wrong idea what a true conservative is and I'm not going to get into that, but overall we do tend to have stricter ideas on how society should work. With that said, I do believe kids can be sexual. There are many cases of girls rubbing themselves with a pillow or doll or just their hands. Also, I know from history, that sex between adults and kids happened often, and inside the family.  Since I'm not actually attracted to kids, I don't view them as someone I can have a relationship with. So where do I draw the line? Well I'm not sure. I have watched CP (it was my favorite kind of porn) but I quit because of legal reasons more so than ethical reason. I wish It was legal or treated like in most states for nestilaity (producing is illegal, but not viewing). I do not like seeing them forced or drugged, to me that is rape and I hate rapists. I don't want them hurt, or taken advantage of. I don't want trafficking, or kidnappings. Those people i hate with a passion.. kids are still the most precious things we as humanns c have and they need protection,love, and mentorship.. As long as the person who is with the child is actually caring, loving, and doesn't harm them, and everyone is consenting. I don't have a problem with it.

[Midamoto]

Rubbedredraw, I think there's some confusion here. "Conservative" pedophilia has very little to do with conservative politics. I'm not into conservative politics at all, but I'm pretty sure people would call me a conservative pedophile, at least in some regards.

Typically, conservative pedophiles denounce CP and/or sex with children as immoral, and try to do without it, although this thread is the living proof that people disagree on that too.

A more common synonym nowadays is "NoMAPs," if you've ever heard of it.

[LikelyHuman]

Rubbedredraw, I think there's some confusion here. "Conservative" pedophilia has very little to do with conservative politics. I'm not into conservative politics at all, but I'm pretty sure people would call me a conservative pedophile, at least in some regards.

Typically, conservative pedophiles denounce CP and/or sex with children as immoral, and try to do without it, although this thread is the living proof that people disagree on that too.

A more common synonym nowadays is "NoMAPs," if you've ever heard of it.

I was thinking this too. Though I do appreciate the insight, because I would have assumed that most pedophiles were not political conservatives.

[pedono]

I used to watch it maybe once or twice, never collect it, and I have nothing to oppose CP in general unless it includes violent and/or force sex. Producing CP or not is other pedo's business, not mine, as they have their own choice and I have no reason or right to concern myself with that.

[Midamoto]

I used to watch it maybe once or twice, never collect it, and I have nothing to oppose CP in general unless it includes violent and/or force sex. Producing CP or not is other pedo's business, not mine, as they have their own choice and I have no reason or right to concern myself with that.

Well, I think we do have a right to say something when a child's well-being is at stake. I have tried turning it in every possible way in my brain, but I have yet to be convinced that there exist non-exploitative reasons to post one's intimate relationship with a child online for millions to see, and that it can be done without terrible consequences for the child involved. I'm willing to change my mind if presented with good arguments, but so far I only see evidence that production of CP is always abusive in nature.

[pedono]

I used to watch it maybe once or twice, never collect it, and I have nothing to oppose CP in general unless it includes violent and/or force sex. Producing CP or not is other pedo's business, not mine, as they have their own choice and I have no reason or right to concern myself with that.

Well, I think we do have a right to say something when a child's well-being is at stake. I have tried turning it in every possible way in my brain, but I have yet to be convinced that there exist non-exploitative reasons to post one's intimate relationship with a child online for millions to see, and that it can be done without terrible consequences for the child involved. I'm willing to change my mind if presented with good arguments, but so far I only see evidence that production of CP is always abusive in nature.

You have your point. For me, as long as the child doesn't get too damaged both physically and mentally, I don't really want to intervene. Mostly because I'm having my own problem to deal with, and I'm not someone who would carry out justice wherever I go. You might judge me as someone who lack sympathy for those children with this statement, but I'd rather not become to invested in other business that doesn't involve myself.

[sandflip]

I honestly had no clue about the political views people would have on here honestly but its crazy to know all the different political views people have!

[on the rocks]

Heh, in this context "conservative" is not meant politically, only the general sense of being risk-averse when it comes to adult-child relationships.  What would make me conservative is definitely not my political views, but rather if I was in a moment with a child I was getting to know and she or he started pawing at the zipper on my pants, I'd mostly likely try and redirection that attention rather than lean into it because I understand the potentially long term consequences that might have for the little one.  As much as I might enjoy their little hands playing with my cock, it's on me to look out for that kid beyond one lustful moment.

[GhostAlive]

I ask all the conservatives here. Do you watch it? Do you collect it? Or are you against it? Let's see the different opinions.

I have used it, but I do not like it. It's not for me. I always feel guilty, particularly when I know that it was created through deception. I've never "collected" it, and in the few times that I saved it I would always delete it shortly thereafter. I don't think it is innately immoral, although you kind of have to do a lot of mental gymnastics to get it to the point where I would find it "acceptable". For example, if you had a consenting YF who produced it for you specifically and you didn't share it without their consent, then that would be a hell of a lot better than catfishing some random kid on omegle by pretending to be someone else. But even then there would be risk in harming the kid. If you got caught then it would be traumatic for both parties. For that reason I choose to abstain. 

But I am also aware that we are only human and we have our weaknesses. I do not think that every person that has ever used CP is a monster.