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Started by BiPeadl, 08 July, 2023, 23:16:10

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Midamoto

Quote from: BiPedal on 11 July, 2023, 18:33:25
Союз нерушимый республик свободных
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Sorry, I don't speak commie. :P

I've done little things like that before. It is theft, but also the kind where you can still claim innocence and get away with it, so it doesn't feel as serious somehow. It's a tier below actual full on theft. Like when you download music.

I used to do something similar in elementary school, where when a kid offered me candy, I used a slight of hand to pick more out of the bag. Not good, but I never got caught. :lol
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BiPeadl

Quote from: Midamoto on 11 July, 2023, 22:08:12
Sorry, I don't speak commie. :P
Oooooh I honestly expected specially *you* to know a few words at least, for reasons.

Well piracy is not at all on my list of even slightly wrong things to do. I guess it's just the norm. Like why would you pay to have something you can have for free with absolutely zero consequences for life 100% guaranteed? :D There are countries which take piracy seriously. But both here and, since we mentioned it, russia, these have piracy as a standard for living, I guess, a common trait we share. Thank you VK for hosting a ton of shit I downloaded.

Your thing of picking up more candies tho - oooh that's stealing from someone directly, that's like, uuuuughhhh not so fine i guess....

ConfusedPaedo

Quote from: Midamoto on 11 July, 2023, 22:08:12
I've done little things like that before. It is theft, but also the kind where you can still claim innocence and get away with it, so it doesn't feel as serious somehow. It's a tier below actual full on theft. Like when you download music.
Incomparable. To steal a chocolate bar reduces its supply; the product you steal cannot be sold to another, and must be produced anew to retain quantity of stock. Costs are incurred which must be paid by some actor - oft the customer, who has the least leverage of those involved in pricing. Contrast the duplication of data; no replacement copy is necessary, they can have their cake and you can eat it too. Were chocolate bars duplicable at no cost, one would have only the moral obligation to financially support those creators one deems worth supporting, and only to the degree reasonable to one's economic situation; laws do not by themselves make a matter just, and a government-granted monopoly on duplication of data - rarely even to those who created it themselves - is mere rent-seeking. It is creation - labour - that must be rewarded, not possession (be it of physical property or imaginary property).
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nyarla

 OMG...this is almost cute.
Girl I've being pretty much raiding the local supermarkets for so long now I don't even remember the last time I left one without stealing at least 4-5 items. I have at least 10 empty bottles of stolen smirnoff in my room. Sometimes when I'm too low on cash I just fill my backpack with the shit I need, pay for a single portion o miojo and leave.
"People aren't rational. We're not thinking machines, we're feeling machines that happen to think." - Peter Watts

This reminds me of how Fiona told me about her ongoing mission to steal little things from stores just for the thrill and the adrenaline. She, too, has quite a collection of items that she lifted, anything from pencils to squishies and even alcoholic beverages. And yes, she did drink them although she's underage. I got one hell of a little rebel, I'm telling ya' :lol

:P
And I was alone yet not lonely because in my heart there was the energy of that one girl who means more to me than any human being ever did before.

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BiPeadl

Quote from: nyarla on 12 July, 2023, 18:02:50
OMG...this is almost cute.
Or maybe you have a thing for stealing things like that or, for when someone does it... just saying

Quote from: hoefler on 12 July, 2023, 18:25:23
And yes, she did drink them although she's underage. I got one hell of a little rebel, I'm telling ya' :lol
I like how you say as if the fact she drank the alcohol being underage is anywhere close to the fact that she stole it
:O here I guess people don't care about that. Minors supposedly can't buy it buuuut sure anyone else around you can if you hand them the money like a friend or the guy you just got to know at the meeting or party or whatever.

But you know
I was a damn rebel
So I used to be able to connect a lot when someone told me of their rebelness specially against parents
I don't know what you did but I know you did a lkot of shit back in the day
So you may identify a bit or a lot with her too... I...guess

nyarla

 I used to buy alcohol in my school uniform. If it is a small place usually you can buy without asking anyone or worry about anything. If anyone even ask something just say you're buying for your father.
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on the rocks

That was common even in America just a little bit before my time.
"Hey son, run down to the liquor store and get me a sixer and a pack of smokes.  Here's 5 bucks." (things used to be cheaper lol )

These days it's corporate policy to card everyone at some places; even little old ladies.  Fucking lawyers.
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BiPeadl

Oh yea, still happens in small stores and the like, im pretty sure
but like
small.
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OneLove

Quote from: BiPedal on 08 July, 2023, 23:16:10
I picked up a closed package of chocolate bars, it had 12. I wanted a little more than 12 tho. And sure I was willing to pay for it. So I thought
- hey there's an empty space in this paper box, why don't i just fill it up with how many more it may fit in?
So I opened it and filled it up, 3 more bars fitted in.
I thought to myself
- but maybe the cashier won't realize there are more than 12 inside it if I....OOOOOOOOOOOOOOHHHHHHHHHHHH no but that would be dishonest.....but it wouldn't if I don't try to make it seem like it was never opened? Like I'm leaving the pack clearly open so she can see there are more than 12. UNLESS SHE DOESN'T COUNT AND TRUST THE LABEL.
I got to the cashier and even though she started counting, she gave up and just beeped the whole thing as 12. I didn't even pay much attention, I just paid it. BUT I KNEW IT COULD'VE HAPPENED AND I DIDN'T PREVENT IT so I either stole 3 choco bars or I earned them for free...?
I'm not sure.
Really dishonest behavior.
What do you think? How terrible is this? Does the fact I don't feel guilty means I'm a robber? Did you ever do it?
You horrible person. You should be publicly caned.   :rolling
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FindingRest

Quote from: OneLove on 14 July, 2023, 12:31:17
Quote from: BiPedal on 08 July, 2023, 23:16:10
I picked up a closed package of chocolate bars, it had 12. I wanted a little more than 12 tho. And sure I was willing to pay for it. So I thought
- hey there's an empty space in this paper box, why don't i just fill it up with how many more it may fit in?
So I opened it and filled it up, 3 more bars fitted in.
I thought to myself
- but maybe the cashier won't realize there are more than 12 inside it if I....OOOOOOOOOOOOOOHHHHHHHHHHHH no but that would be dishonest.....but it wouldn't if I don't try to make it seem like it was never opened? Like I'm leaving the pack clearly open so she can see there are more than 12. UNLESS SHE DOESN'T COUNT AND TRUST THE LABEL.
I got to the cashier and even though she started counting, she gave up and just beeped the whole thing as 12. I didn't even pay much attention, I just paid it. BUT I KNEW IT COULD'VE HAPPENED AND I DIDN'T PREVENT IT so I either stole 3 choco bars or I earned them for free...?
I'm not sure.
Really dishonest behavior.
What do you think? How terrible is this? Does the fact I don't feel guilty means I'm a robber? Did you ever do it?
You horrible person. You should be publicly caned.   :rolling

Haha! Yes, the origin story of the infamous choco bandit.  :evil:

In all seriousness, I wouldn't be too concerned about it. I don't usually steal, but will take small things from others from time to time without asking. They never seem to mind, so I won't either.

I stole some chocolate today, just for the thrill. Fiona is having a bad influence on me I guess :lol

:P
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AlexUnder

Everybody's talking about stealing as if that's the only form of "dishonesty." Well, when I was a teenager, I routinely lifted packs of cigarettes from stores, if I didn't have the money to pay. That was definitely stealing.  (I don't smoke any more.) But to say that was the only "dishonesty" I've ever committed would be, well, dishonest. Everybody lies, even if they're not harmful lies. ("Yes, dear, your voice is lovely when you sing.")  I've lied like a dog on many, many occasions, although I'm ashamed to admit it.

BTW, that's a dumb expression. I've never known a dog to lie!
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TooLittleTime

This thread is interesting, but I am still laughing my head off at BiPedal bafflement at on the rocks usage of "The Man".

I have accidentally stolen things often enough in my life. Coming home from the store with something I had not paid for. If I make it to the car in the parking lot without a security guard chasing me, I have not expended the energy to go back.

Plenty of office supplies over the years have made to my home.

But the world balances out, I have spent money on things that somehow never made it into my possession plenty of times.
I have always liked broken things.

spugachyov

I used to do shit like this a lot when I was 11-12. I could run really fast too, which helped... So when I got caught, at least I didn't get caught