Arousal for implied Sex or "abuse" on the media

[VanMcVan]

In "The Butterfly Effect" (spoiler, sorry) we finally discover that the only way that Ashton Kucher can save the girl he loves is by going back in time to when they were children, so he can make sure she hates him. If she likes him, she will stay with her dad instead of moving away with her mom. Her asshole dad also turns out to be an old school kiddie porn producer. In one scene, Kucher pops into his childhood self in the middle of a shot with the girl, and we see them naked from the shoulders up as dad tells them to do something they obviously don't want to do. I've never gotten that image out of my head, even though the way they get there goes against everything I say I believe.

I'm also drawn to L&O SVU. The theme is playing in my head right now.

Real life stories, too. I have to be careful about news links that pop up in my clearnet feed, because I don't want the algo to connect me with on topic content in real life. I wish there were more news stories posted on the "Crime and Punishment" board, so I could satisfy my curiosity in safety.

[radagast37]

There's a detail on the Terrifier movies just a few of us noticed. On the second part the protagonist Sienna wears a "Warrior Angel" Halloween costume, a Valkyrie like attire clearly inspired on the medieval warriors which leaves little to the imagination. This costume is said to be inspired by a drawing of her late father. Well, on the third movie we see a flashback to the moment when as a child, she's handed that drawing by her dad and we found out it was supposed to be her.
And that's the detailed many pointed out, how creepy is her dad draw an adult version of his 5 year old daughter as a sexy ass half naked warrior angel.

[TooLittleTime]

In "The Butterfly Effect" (spoiler, sorry) we finally discover that the only way that Ashton Kucher can save the girl he loves is by going back in time to when they were children, so he can make sure she hates him. If she likes him, she will stay with her dad instead of moving away with her mom. Her asshole dad also turns out to be an old school kiddie porn producer. In one scene, Kucher pops into his childhood self in the middle of a shot with the girl, and we see them naked from the shoulders up as dad tells them to do something they obviously don't want to do. I've never gotten that image out of my head, even though the way they get there goes against everything I say I believe.

I'm also drawn to L&O SVU. The theme is playing in my head right now.

Real life stories, too. I have to be careful about news links that pop up in my clearnet feed, because I don't want the algo to connect me with on topic content in real life. I wish there were more news stories posted on the "Crime and Punishment" board, so I could satisfy my curiosity in safety.

Okay, here is a real life working example. I have always had that movie on the B list to watch, but now it has pretty much floated to the top, just on that premise.

[PrimeMeridian]

Okay, here is a real life working example. I have always had that movie on the B list to watch, but now it has pretty much floated to the top, just on that premise.

Well ... do just keep in mind that in The Butterfly Effect, we really are talking about unequivocal abuse. It's not just a societal label on a socially awkward and culturally taboo relationship in that film -- the father figure destroys his daughter's life in timeline after timeline (mild spoilers). Neither of the kids involved have 'fun'.

Of course, that is probably by design. The difference between this particular example and others, I think, is that the predatory nature of the fature and the impact it has on the scared kids is so graphically depicted in the film. I don't mean sex and nudity by that, just ... well, you'll see. It's psychological. :-/

That's one where I had no difficulty fighting any naughty interest, at least. There are others where it's more vague for me, heh.

Also no insult to anyone who did find it alluring. It's all make-believe, anyway.

[TooLittleTime]

I wish I could say my interest in child adult relationships was limited to purely loving, cooperative and consensual, to the most extent possible. But reality is rarely this way and so are my interests.

Measuring CP where a lot of it created in circumstances likely similar to what the movie portrays against a purely fictional account, taking interest in that account is unavoidable to me. Thanks for the heads up, it at least fits one of my primary non-fiction and fictional tastes. And that is where the young female protagonist prevails, though in this case it may be in the end, the positive result she does not even know of, where the alternative outcomes of her life were much worse.

The overall story seems even more compelling, given your description

We all, or hopefully so, want everyone important to be happy at the end.

[OneLove]

There's a scene in the tv show "The Magicians" where it is revealed that Martin Chatwin was sexually abused as a child. Naturally, the abuse was violent, non-consensual, and traumatic, causing him to become 'the Beast" when he got older, thus perpetuating the myth that all child sexuality is horrific and leads to ptsd and twisted personalities.

[radagast37]

I once brought attention to a Law and Order SVU episode titled "Good Girl"

http://onion.tor.my/forum/index.php?topic=27198.msg293074#msg293074

To summarize a widowed man secretly married and got pregnant his 13yo stepdaughter even go to the lengths of murder to protect their secret, what I didn't mention is that is episode contains the most arousing, ironic and sometimes funniest dialogue I've heard on this series.

First, when the girl Mackenzie is brought to the stand as she is asked to detail how their relationship with her stepfather started, and in front of her biological father who showed up for the trial:

Mackenzie: I think I've always loved him. From the first time I saw him.
Prosecutor: When was that?
Mackenzie: When he started dating Mom. He made us so happy. He would read me his books before bed. His voice was like gold or something. I always got goosebumps.
Prosecutor: So you loved him like you would a rock star?
Mackenzie: No
Prosecutor: A father?
Mackenzie: I wouldn't know about that. I've never had a father.
Your Honor, that man sitting right there, I don't even know him. He left before I was even born and any law that says I need his permission to be happy is a stupid law. And I love him like a wife loves a husband.
Prosecutor: Like your mother loved him.
Mackenzie: That's right.
Prosecutor: What do you think she would say about your marriage?
Mackenzie: She'd be happy that I found a good man, just like she did.
Prosecutor: You mean the same man, don't you?
Mackenzie: You don't know anything. Before Mom died, she told me to take care of him.
Prosecutor: I doubt this is what she meant.

Then when the stepdad is cornered and had to confess his crime:

Howard: I lost your mother. I couldn't take the chance that anyone would find out about us.
Detective: But your marriage was legal. There's nothing to be ashamed of, unless.....
Howard: I am not ashamed! You look at her. How could you not fall in love with someone so beautiful and so sweet? An angel sent from heaven to bless my life, to bless me, and look at us now. Your stupid laws have ruined us. My whole life I've searched for real love and I found it.
What was I supposed to do?
Detective: Waiting till she was 18 would've been a good start.

[on the rocks]

That's some fairly sympathetic dialogue from a franchise that usually traffics in moral panic and police state propaganda.

[preggoKiddos]

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Detective: Waiting till she was 18 would've been a good start.

I deeply hate people who actually believe that 18 is a magical age of maturity, especially for girls. I do not understand this belief. I do understand the evil power it gives over normal men with normal natural feelings tho.

[radagast37]

I deeply hate people who actually believe that 18 is a magical age of maturity, especially for girls. I do not understand this belief. I do understand the evil power it gives over normal men with normal natural feelings tho.

I think in this particular case it doesn't matter the maturity or lack of it, but the legality of the situation, the point of the whole episode is that the guy couldn't be nailed por sexual abuse cause she was having sex with a 13yo since she was legally her wife.

[PrimeMeridian]

I deeply hate people who actually believe that 18 is a magical age of maturity, especially for girls. I do not understand this belief. I do understand the evil power it gives over normal men with normal natural feelings tho.

"Hate" is a strong word. I don't think I can "hate" anyone for just existing in the culture and society that they were born in, for better or worse.

I will confess an annoyance at a cultural habit that I've been hearing more and more often, and seems to be pretty much mainstream now (especially among younger generations) -- that is calling an adult who gets caught doing things with a LATE teenager (16, 17) a "pedophile." I have to roll my eyes at that, because it's just absurd to pretend that you can't understand an adult's sexual attraction to a person that is, for all intents and purposes, fully developed sexually and with their secondary sexual characteristics on full display, including the emission of pheromones in their scent and the whole nine yards.

It may not be a GOOD idea for an adult to hook up with a 17-year-old (arguable), and also arguable is that a 17-year-old lacks the understanding of the "ramifications" of sex (mostly culturally induced psychological consequences if safe sex is practiced), but you can't accurately call the older partner in that relationship a "pedophile," nor do I like that they're called "predators" even in completely consentual situations. That is just TOOOOOOO close to their magical arbitrary cutoff line.

"Pedophilia" is a real sexual attraction to children too young to have entered puberty, thus makes no biological reproduction sense, and is the thing that shows real neurodivergence and psychological science would more properly recognize as a disorder. Anyone capable of needing to buy DD size, or growing a full beard and completely filling out a jock strap, is not going to appeal to an actual pedophile (pure one, anyway).

Even more frustrating is that unfortunately you cannot call these inaccurate and arbitrarily escalated words out when someone in society uses them -- there are very few that want to hear any kind of defense of what they view as a "pedo." If for some reasom they were unable to state that the Sun comes up every morning without also (hypothetically) somehow even lowering the SEVERITY of how evil the pedophile is in their mind, they wouldn't want to be hearing about the Sun, either.

There is almost across-the-board-loathing for those with attractions like these in our current civilization, and it makes one wonder how previous civilizations never seemed to have such harsh views about it it. (HINT -- It wasn't until Abrahamic religions took hold of everything that the tradition of indoctrination on this subject began).

[Lillab]

There is almost across-the-board-loathing for those with attractions like these in our current civilization, and it makes one wonder how previous civilizations never seemed to have such harsh views about it it. (HINT -- It wasn't until Abrahamic religions took hold of everything that the tradition of indoctrination on this subject began).

While I am with you on most of your rant, a rant we all need to get out every now and then, this last part is simply not true. Traditionally, Abrahamic religions haven't had a strong stance on the issue. In fact, Muslims are among the most pedo-friendly cultures of all time. Today's insanity has evolved out of Puritan views. Even the original Puritans were accepting of relationships once puberty is mostly complete. You just need to get married first. Raising the AoC has always been a cultural thing, and it has been pushed into all cultures.

On the other hand, pedo has never been fully accepted. As far as I can tell, in every single culture across time, there are always at least a small group of people that try to encourage people to wait until 18 or so. They usually didn't do much about it, just participate in idle gossip. It is good that people are a little wary of young relationships, because there really are extra dangers there. Only in today's culture do we see a reaction of mass hysteria and angry mobs.


I suppose while I am here, I ought to answer the original question. For me, it's complicated. Yes, any mention of underage relationships or rape does peak my interest. Sometimes I enjoy it, and sometimes it really disturbs me. I never know how I will respond, even when revisiting something I have already seen or read about. I always want to read a news article about an instance of child sexual abuse, and half the time I regret my decision to look. It's an emotional minefield.

A lot of it is just me, and the results of the trauma I have been through. It's very confusing. I don't know why it is possible for me to sometimes see hurtcore and it doesn't bother me, and other times even a hint of hesitation is enough to make me fall apart. In the last week, I got around to watching Hounddog (2007). That really did a number on me. Even after most of a week, I still feel disturbed and like I am shaking inside. Why would Dakota Fanning acting it out disturb me more than real videos?

Yes, I am drawn to underage sex in the media, and I hate it. The way things are portrayed when produced for the mainstream, there is a decent chance it will trigger me. They always try to highlight the ugliest aspects, and sometimes I can't handle it.

[on the rocks]

Religion is always a factor, granted, but there's a more clear causation rooted in the industrial revolution as human civilization shifted from a mostly agrarian society to a mostly industrialized, urban society.  The new system demanded an increasingly educated general population in order to fill the need for labor.  More education means prolonging 'childhood', thus the steady onset of age of consent laws and shifting attitudes regarding teenagers getting married.  Hell, the whole concept of "teenager" is a 20th Century invention.  And it came right at the peak of western industrial might; the culmination of generational changes begun when humans first started gathering in factories to build stuff.

This is the cliff notes version since it's a bit off topic in this thread, but I don't think most people appreciate just how profoundly the Industrial Revolution changed society.  This far into it, we sometimes lack perspective of just how relatively new all of the changes that were precipitated by it really are.  Human civilizations was one way before the Industrial Revolution and and has been a completely different way ever since.  It touches everything, man.

The temptation is there to pin pedophobia on religion or feminists or whatever particular political persuasion one is already predisposed to dislike, but those are all just symptoms of the root cause, not the cause itself.  For that, you gotta take a hard look at the Industrial Revolution and understand the massive ripple effects it has created beyond the grade school explanations about interchangeable parts and assembly lines and lower costs to produce a given item.  It's the social impacts that are the most consequential.

[radagast37]

Last year Lifetime premiered another of it original movies "I Was a Child Bride: The Courtney Stodden Story" The film follows 16-year-old Courtney Stodden, who in 201 married 51-year-old Doug Hutchison while pursuing her dreams in the entertainment industry. I feel curious who this channel approached this particular subject,  will it be a impartial view of the situation or it will condemn this relationship. Well, just as the movie starts it shows a disclaimer which says:

"The following film contains sensitive themes involving a minor. It includes grooming,  substance abuse, domestic abuse, sexual assault........"

Maybe it was naive to think it would be otherwise.

[on the rocks]

Lifetime isn't exactly known for movies that "leave it up to the viewer to decide."
Like their entire catalogue is about women in abusive relationships. The husband or the step-father or the boss or the seemingly benign neighbor is always a manipulative asshole who will at some point threaten to kill the protagonist.  And they always use the broadest interpretation of the phrase "based on a true story".