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[nyarla]

I know just what you mean. I have a couple of conversations like that ongoing, so it's not like it has stopped happening. I think the people you were talking to back then are just no longer here, but there are others of us around.

Yes that is the case, looking at the last PM's I received is sad I will probably never have the chance to properly answer them. But I guess that's life when you're a member of a secret coven in the darkest of webs, but loosing friends is never a good feeling even if I was the one to disappear first.

[indeepdaddy]

I prefer to DM when having extended convos, sometimes you may need a diff platform though.

[Midamoto]

Yes that is the case, looking at the last PM's I received is sad I will probably never have the chance to properly answer them. But I guess that's life when you're a member of a secret coven in the darkest of webs, but loosing friends is never a good feeling even if I was the one to disappear first.

I guess I'm lucky in that the good friends I've lost here are people who were never around for much long in the first place. I feel like I am starting to "outlive" the common denominator on this community and with that comes the fact that I'm starting to see people coming and going. I know you used to talk a lot with Itu, and it's true he doesn't hang out here much anymore, though sometimes he shows up and it's always a pleasant surprise.

But I'm derailing the thread...I guess we can pick it up in the PMs.

[nyarla]

It just came to my notice I wasn't that available for PMs as I may have sounded. So if anyone tried PMing me and could not it was as a mistake... I for some probably stupid juvenile reason in the far distant past had blocked everyone, sorry. Now you can PM me...

[cplover15m]

Even Tor is riddled with flaws ready to be exploited if one is not too careful, and VPNs are simply not anonymous.

i'm pretty sure tor with a vpn is even worse because the vpn provider monitors all your activity

[Midamoto]

i'm pretty sure tor with a vpn is even worse because the vpn provider monitors all your activity

I don't know if they do, but they certainly can. It is completely useless though and just makes you more vulnerable to fingerprinting.

There is a case to be made for hooking up a proxy after Tor. It is often argued to be unethical, because why else would you do that but to hide the fact that you're using Tor from the site you're requesting content from? But unethical or not, I sometimes think it would be nice in order to thwart those stupid sites that block Tor. In order to do that though, you would need to acquire that proxy in a completely anonymous way, and that is not easy to pull. In fact my opinion is that the risk outweighs the benefits, since it is very easy to screw up, and then your anonymity is completely off the window.

So my best recommendation is to just use Tor. In fact, just use the Tor Browser bundle, and not any other customized browser like Brave. Disable Javascript, and connect to a bridge if you must.

[LikelyHuman]

i'm pretty sure tor with a vpn is even worse because the vpn provider monitors all your activity

I don't know if they do, but they certainly can. It is completely useless though and just makes you more vulnerable to fingerprinting.

There is a case to be made for hooking up a proxy after Tor. It is often argued to be unethical, because why else would you do that but to hide the fact that you're using Tor from the site you're requesting content from? But unethical or not, I sometimes think it would be nice in order to thwart those stupid sites that block Tor. In order to do that though, you would need to acquire that proxy in a completely anonymous way, and that is not easy to pull. In fact my opinion is that the risk outweighs the benefits, since it is very easy to screw up, and then your anonymity is completely off the window.

So my best recommendation is to just use Tor. In fact, just use the Tor Browser bundle, and not any other customized browser like Brave. Disable Javascript, and connect to a bridge if you must.

I think the single useful means of using Tor and a VPN together, is if you use Tor to connect to your VPN, and have paid for that VPN with anonymous crytocurrency. Because then if they do track the activity back to the VPN, and the VPN doesn't honor its no log policy, all they can provide is the Tor IP you used and no payment information. However, in the end, it really only offers a redundancy since the Tor IP could theoretically be trade back to you as well. Then a major downside is that you wouldn't be able to connect to Tor hidden services. So overall they're pretty worthless to combine.

[Midamoto]

I think the single useful means of using Tor and a VPN together, is if you use Tor to connect to your VPN, and have paid for that VPN with anonymous crytocurrency. Because then if they do track the activity back to the VPN, and the VPN doesn't honor its no log policy, all they can provide is the Tor IP you used and no payment information. However, in the end, it really only offers a redundancy since the Tor IP could theoretically be trade back to you as well. Then a major downside is that you wouldn't be able to connect to Tor hidden services. So overall they're pretty worthless to combine.

Like I was saying, it's worse than worthless, it's dangerous. There are more or less anonymous ways to pay for a service, like Monero, but in the end paying for a VPN provider just adds more potential surface of attack, especially if you use the VPN after Tor. So I would strongly discourage anybody from doing that.

[WolverineLogan2020]

People can message me. I call it pm and not dm even thought it's the same thing. The best place where I used to chat was yahoo messenger but they got rid of that a long time ago which still pisses me off.

[gentlegayped]

i'm open to DM too...

[Driver247]

People can message me. I call it pm and not dm even thought it's the same thing. The best place where I used to chat was yahoo messenger but they got rid of that a long time ago which still pisses me off.

I remember Yahoo Chat! They got rid of it because people were posting cp on it. That's where I got a lot of my first cp.
Actually it wasn't the chat it was the dating site.

[Grizzly_Bare]

I think the single useful means of using Tor and a VPN together, is if you use Tor to connect to your VPN, and have paid for that VPN with anonymous crytocurrency. Because then if they do track the activity back to the VPN, and the VPN doesn't honor its no log policy, all they can provide is the Tor IP you used and no payment information. However, in the end, it really only offers a redundancy since the Tor IP could theoretically be trade back to you as well. Then a major downside is that you wouldn't be able to connect to Tor hidden services. So overall they're pretty worthless to combine.

Like I was saying, it's worse than worthless, it's dangerous. There are more or less anonymous ways to pay for a service, like Monero, but in the end paying for a VPN provider just adds more potential surface of attack, especially if you use the VPN after Tor. So I would strongly discourage anybody from doing that.

I gotta say friends I am on the side of maximum caution and would be very reluctant to engage in private messaging period -- maybe that will change but adding a VPN to access Tor is as already noted kinda pointless and always a risk that the VPN is no way bullet proof whatever they claim.  I feel that the forum is more like a 'letter-writing' process rather than ICR because for me I cant always access the forum when I want to and so my engagement tends to be rather irregular. Often I browse before I login too. I dont want to sound too  paranoid but I cant help thinking law enforcement might actually be lurking around even though the forum is super-good at keeping us image neutral (so why would they bother when there are numerous CP galleries out there?).

[on the rocks]

I dont want to sound too  paranoid but I cant help thinking law enforcement might actually be lurking around even though the forum is super-good at keeping us image neutral (so why would they bother when there are numerous CP galleries out there?).

LEA would be negligent in their job if they weren't keeping an eye on this place.
It's not a bad rule of thumb to treat every on topic interaction as if the cops are reading.  Tor has you covered for your digital anonymity, so it is a known tactic to try and get to know a target in an effort to get them to divulge identifying information as a way to do an end around all those Tor nodes.  No need to "hack Tor" if they can hack the person, you know?

Keep that in mind as everyone communicates on this subject across the darkweb.  It'll keep you safe, but you'll still get to have fun.

[Grizzly_Bare]

LEA would be negligent in their job if they weren't keeping an eye on this place.
It's not a bad rule of thumb to treat every on topic interaction as if the cops are reading. 

Good rule especially in regard to  'private chats'. Most LEAs don't seem that diligent or thorough but best not underestimate them....

gracias amigos (& LEA lurkers)!

Grizzly

[KittenSmitten]

LEA would be negligent in their job if they weren't keeping an eye on this place.
It's not a bad rule of thumb to treat every on topic interaction as if the cops are reading. 

Good rule especially in regard to  'private chats'. Most LEAs don't seem that diligent or thorough but best not underestimate them....

gracias amigos (& LEA lurkers)!

Here's the thing: it is a moot point whether LEA are on or watching this place, it all comes down to the  resources the state, or indeed the multiple nation states, have at their disposal and how to deploy those to maximum effect to inhibit the personal behaviors or commercial activities of not only those who can be successfully prosecuted but the vastly larger cohort of those who will not be, nor will even be pursued, nor often even come to the attention to any material degree, of the authorities.

The equation is simple: the resources of LEA are so comparatively minuscule compared to the monumental costs in time, personnel, multi-jurisdictional operations, evidence gathering that would have any hope of reaching the criminal standard of proof. There are LEA personnel dotted all over the place as 'intelligence gatherers' and why would there not be. But the priority for the state is unlikely to be a support group that does not even trade images, whose conversations substantially fall within 1st amendment protections, or in non-US jurisdictions within a defensible context. Sure, don't be slack on security in any aspect of the dark web.

But just like the local two-bit drug dealers who think every siren means the cops are coming for them: hey, stay in your lane little fish, we know what you are but we're after the ones who'll make an impact!

So, that said lol, the pace is too glacial on here and so I would welcome DM or PM or any old M frankly!

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